David Rivkin appeared on “Fox and Friends” Saturday, September 19. He says the federal government cannot require individuals to purchase insurance. That will ultimately lead to unlimited powers and fundamentally change the balance of powers as set forth in the US Constitution.
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Aegius says
@AndroidPolitician The 5th Amendment requires that the gov can only deprive a person of life, liberty or property through due process of law. The gov cannot and does not have the right to deprive person’s of property beyond that including mandating the purchase of property either good or service, which has no precedent in case law or statute law until now. Still if you want to live under tyranny w/gov dictating you to purchase anything possible, pack your bags to N Korea. I won’t join you.
AndroidPolitician says
@Aegius
Healthcare isn’t property.
Aegius says
@AndroidPolitician Health care is a service that requires funds. I was referring to my funds as my property. The gov doesn’t have the right to arbitrarily take my money by forcing me to purchase a service or good from someone else.
Aegius says
@AndroidPolitician The gov is limited in what it can legislate and mandate via the US Constitution. Now where in the US Constitution is gov authorized to dictate to me to purchase a good or service from another party at gun point solely for living? Get this str8. I will NEVER purchase a good or service at gun point. NEVER. The IRS can put me before a firing squad & I will carry my copy of “The Road to Serfdom” & the Declaration of Independence & still refuse to submit to extortion & tyranny.
AndroidPolitician says
@Aegius
lol unless you live in Minnesota you’re probably mandated to have car insurance right now.
Aegius says
@AndroidPolitician No comparison. 1)I have to decide to purchase a car VOLUNTARILY first. 2)Then I have to decide to drive that car VOLUNTARILY. 3)I have to get a driver’s license VOLUNTARILY. Those are 3 voluntary actions that I need to take before driving that car & before I would have to get automotive insurance. There are no voluntary actions prior to health insurance unless you count not committing suicide. Besides auto insurance is done on the state level, not the federal level.
Aegius says
@AndroidPolitician cont… Since you think that it is a good idea to force people to purchase a product, okay, how about we got to you and force you at gun point to purchase products? You can start by purchasing my health insurance at gun point and my groceries every week. That’s what the gov is doing and what you want it to do. Force people at gun point to purchase a product. It’s called extortion.
AndroidPolitician says
@Aegius
You can purchase whatever health insurance you want it’s just mandatory.
What 72% of Americans wanted was a single payer program but all we got was a privatized choice of coverage that’s mandated.
shaithis50 says
@AndroidPolitician it was never about heatlh insurance. The real story was how medical costs skyrocketed out of scope of the public market. Also there was possibly a time when we used to pay in cash for medical services rendered. So how come they just didn’t make the cost of a procedure relevant to your income level like a sliding scale where rates were reasonable. Why pay a middle man like insurance at all.
shaithis50 says
@AndroidPolitician the point that I like to argue is that when you take a look at the most expensive health care insurance plans out there or even the cheaper ones, that is money thrown away better saved towards future visits with your doctor or specialist. Govts mistake was its failure to address high hospital costs and as stupid as this might sound, hospitals that overcharge the general public deserve to go out of business.
shaithis50 says
@AndroidPolitician it is also less of an incentive to own any big ticket assets if a hospital bill can wipe it all out. Why try at all in a price gouging society. Just my own thoughts.
AndroidPolitician says
@shaithis50
Insurance obviously complicates things but having a private non-insurance system would still be terrible.
shaithis50 says
@AndroidPolitician there is no doubt that it has become a for profit industry at the expense of the common worker. More or less an ongoing attack on the working class. Not everyone can make six figure salaries either. I’m just finding medical insurance in general to have become a scam where one is not covered at 100% and it seems you will still always be paying a fraction of the expenses. The entire industry is overcharging people for money they don’t have.
shaithis50 says
@AndroidPolitician another way to put it into perspective is a form of financial slavery via medical debt. I guess medical bankruptcy becomes the new term to understand if one doesn’t make enough. Frankly it is a sick system once you start realizing what is going on and even know they might be good at saving lives, these same medical professionals rely on us to do our part in society (mechanics/janitors/etc.)
sonofsun4 says
How is it, that mandatory health care insurance is unconstitutional and car insurance (which is basically same thing running on same principle) is O.K.No one complaints!